Posted on 07/21/2006 by ACube2Graphic
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I seriously hate it when you start a new job and the boss says, "...any if you have any questions or concerns, please feel free to stop in and talk to me; my door's always open". Yeah, right. That should be my immediate clue to leave. We have a know-it-all,degrading Super that is great at sales (so they put up with him belittling and chasing off employees), and a GM, that calls ALL complaints "petty" (including complaining about the guys peeing & *** on the Girls' Room toilet), and will tell you anything that'll make you leave happy, but'll change his story 2 mins. later. And these two guys are in a power-struggle. Case in point: We got a letter attached to our paychecks today. It basically says in too many fake-polite words, "I don't want to hear any complaints about poor pay or anything else. Work as a team or else. If you don't like it, leave." WTF?! I had put an interesting article about wage trends on the bulletin board, and that was referenced as well; no more posting unauthorized articles on the board, but it didn't say anything about the wall NEXT to the board.... I gotta get outta here. My quest for a real job continues....
POST A COMMENTDharmadee(07/21/2006)
You got it, get out!!! Corporations have always been bad, but trust me, this trend of unbelievable arrogance has become a cancer that is trying to kill us all...or at least kill our spirits.
twiz(07/23/2006)
It is definitely in most cases just a common courteousy for a manager to say that. Though many don't "mind" if you stop in and talk, they often portray themselves as unapproachable by staying couped up in their big offices. Makes it harder to just walk in and talk. Maybe if they had regular old cubes like the rest of us it would be easier!
babysitter(08/19/2006)
I wonder if anyone ever looked at it from a different point of view. We are all employees, but having been on both sides of the fence, it sometimes becomes apparent that employeees working closely together get annoyed or downright angry with each other for a number of reasons. It's always easier for them, and me, to go to the boss to fix our problems instead of girding our loins and fixing them ourselves. I've been the baby, and I've been the babysitter and believe me being the baby is infinitely easier. If me and another employee are having a personality problem, why should management get involved other than if you absoolutely cannot come to some sort of agreement. I would much rather do that than have everyone get involved in my business...sorry graphics, but I don't agree on this one at all.
ACube2Graphic(08/21/2006)
Well the problem here is that, my former spvr.(demoted!) and I used to have arguments, settle them, and then he'd still tattle to the boss(he repeats everything to him), who would also tell him not to bring him into it if it was settled. Duh! The other thing is, the boss is the kinda guy who will tell you one thing, and tell someone else something else. He calls all things brought to his attention "petty", including the guys peeing and ******** on the girls' room toilet seat, and leaving paper and water everywhere. I try not go to him for anything unless it's REALLY important. He can't be bothered to try and remedy ANY problems, no matter. (We do not have a HR person). I think my annoyance is justified.
ACube2Graphic(08/21/2006)
Okay, I know I repeated myself
ACube2Graphic(08/21/2006)
If you've also been the "baby", then you should be able to sympathize with the grunts when it comes to ineffectual & unsympathic mgmt., or did you sell your soul when u became the "babysitter"? I mean, especially with health related/privacy issues concerning bathroom usage. I think that's a fair gripe.
HellonWheels(08/21/2006)
Your company doesn't have an HR person? It's the HR person's responsibility to deal with employee conflicts or problems, so that management doesn't have to. Though the bathroom thing is inexcusable. What are guys doing using your womens' room, anyway? Talk about an opening for a lawsuit. What if the door's not locked properly and one of the men walks in on a one of the women. That's actually considered Sexual Harassment, and the women could easily sue and win. Anyone catch that babysitter is a management type? Watch out....
ACube2Graphic(08/21/2006)
Yeah, that's actually part of the problem; the mgr. IS the HR person!
DigWhatIDo(08/22/2006)
I bet you are going to think that what I am about to say is from a management's point of view or that I am a troll as some other poster has labeled an opposing perspective. It comes from the perspective of when you really want your life to change, it will. REPEAT AFTER ME...POSITIVE ATTITUDE! One more time...POSITIVE ATTITUDE! Can you remember when your life had meaning? Did it ever? Do you have friends? Can you remember when you actually listened when someone spoke and not shut them out because you were formulating your own thoughts? Can you remember when you woke up in the morning and looked forward to the workday without wanting to cry about something or someone. Have you ever sat down and attributed your troubles to the one who looks you back in the mirror? You can vent all you like to your anonymous friends here that are really looking out for your best interests. Misery Loves Company. It's not your co-worker's fault or your Boss' fault that you have issues. I have no tolerance for pathetic people who constantly complain how bad things are and threaten to sue. The best thing to do is find work elsewhere. Learn to pick your battles. But if you don't change your mindset, you will only be on this site again crying about your next employer. I would venture to say that you aren't underpaid either as you were complaining in other posts . You are probably paid what you are worth and no more. I don't know where you work, but i am sure you know where the door is! If your skills are as good as you claim, you could go elsewhere and make more! Learn to appreciate people more and be less in a hurry to blame others. If you take a selfless position rather than a selfish one...POW watch your life change in all aspects for the better PDQ. Venting may help,looking for cute anecdotal sayings may help you articulate your frustrations but it is only temporary. Revenge and petty posts or confrontations won't solve but a fleeting moment of so-called victory or payback. The Payback might turn 360. OK...just in case you forgot...POSITIVE ATTITUDE [in everything you do]. Since I am sure you will be trashing this post, try re-reading it. The ridiculous part of this post will be your justification for your negative mindset. YOU only live in YOUR own perfect world. OK...just in case you forgot again...POSITIVE ATTITUDE [in everything you do with everybody you do it with]. Good Luck!
avid reader(08/22/2006)
DigWhatIDo, your name says it all. "Look at me, everyone should learn from me and be like me. See how I smile and it makes everything better? See how easy it is? That's all you have to do! Push your complaints down to the pit of your stomach and mask them with a positive attitude and it will all be ok! You'll love your job and management will love you!" Excuse me while I puke. The idea of this site is to vent and get help, ideas and support from other people. Maybe you didn't pick up on that because you were too busy being positive. If you can't stand anyone voicing complaints and healthy venting...um, go hang out at positivepeople.com or something.
C - -(08/22/2006)
avid; very well said. When people need help and support they have somewhere to turn to. It helps to outguess - hopefully outfox their abusers. Managers and bosses turn to lawyers who tell them how far they can go without breaking the law. Staying employed has become a very lopsided game.
ACube2Graphic(08/22/2006)
Gee, hmm, where's your Positive Attitude when critizing others about having a healthy vent!! Everyone's entitled to an opinion, which may or not be the same as management's. And how dare you assume that I have a bad attitude at work! I LIKE what I do, it's the people I can't trust because everything said is repeated higher up,even the unimportant stuff. We have NO team here; mgmt. isn't working with the Team, they've got there own agenda, and there will be NO Positive Attitude when we're treated as pee-ons. Mgmt. seems to forget that we were hired to do a job THEY can't/won't do, and were NOT doing us a favor hiring us. When the staff feels respected by the mgmt.,(i.e.problems dealt with right away, and fairly)then things like money are not such an issue. And, since the rules of the game have changed since I started, it is fair to expect to be compensated. It is frustrating to work with co-workers who spend a lot of time goofing off, not helping towards a project, and looking for good "dirt" to trade for the boss's for good graces. And doubly worse when the boss knows, and let's it continue. But, given this, I feel like as long as I am getting my work done, on time, to the best of my ability, that's all that matters. This place isn't about revenge or payback; it's about getting it off your chest so one can move on. You ARE in the wrong website...get over yourself.
DigWhatIDo(08/23/2006)
Go to the Gym and work out to vent your ANGER and frustrations. If you are underpaid, go and jog or better yet, go back to school and get a better handle on your skills. Wasting time crying here wondering how you can outfox so called abusers or do petty payback childish stunts serve what purpose? Although puking will purge your body of poison. It is a shame it doesn't purge toxic thinking. If you are trying to get ahead by knocking others, others might do it back. Take control of your life and don't let the world around you take control. Like people a little more. If it is authority you have trouble with, look inward and work on it; they are not going away. Like I said, POSITIVE ATTITUDE in whatever you do and whomever you do it with! If I had to get over myself, I would have to jump pretty high! The fact that you are checking this post shows that you are wasting your time.
DigWhatIDo(08/23/2006)
BTW, I am not wasting my time...I am trying to help.
C - -(08/23/2006)
DearDigDoDo; YOUR "kind of help" we can do without. Most company paid shrinks say the same things to benefit their employers and guarantee their paychecks. Company paid so-called independent doctors come in a close second always blaming the employee - patient. The more uncomfortable the manager and his bosses are the less likely they will single out another employee for this kind of treatment.
Dharmadee(08/24/2006)
Dear Dig- I understand what you are saying, and yes, positive attitude is important. But sometimes, a person with morality has to speak up and try to make things better, not just for himself/herself but because it is the right thing to do. There is a growing epidemic of corporate irresponsibility that need to be addressed-Enron is the tip of the iceberg. There are many people who are really at the mercy of their workplace, and need understanding and assistance. And yes, sometimes just a place to vent, and try to make sense of things. It is counter-productive to try to stymie honest human communication. And you know, you might just learn something about what people are REALLY thinking, if you would just stop telling them what they "should" be thinking.
ACube2Graphic(08/24/2006)
Look Dig, or babysitter, or whatever your name is tomorrow, your continual diatribes on how everyone "should" behave only shows you are insecure. You comment we are all wasting time here, and yet you in the glass house are here tyrading without actually reading what anyones saying, so that makes you as "bad" as everyone here that your're pointing a finger at. That's why this is a Cubie hangout, not a mgmt. one, sr.
just me(08/24/2006)
LOL!! I finally had to chime in on this one because the comment about wasting time checking posts was classic! Hello there, Pot! My name is Kettle. And then the follow up "disclaimer" about helping. HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! Thanks for the sheer entertainment, guys. And C-- "DigDoDo"...! I'm on the floor! And for any more management types that want to chime in. GO AHEAD, WE'LL LAUGH YOU RIGHT OUT OF HERE.
avid reader(08/24/2006)
"If you are underpaid, go and jog" GO AND JOG? Now I KNOW you're management. OMG that's freaking hilarious. I told my coworkers about it this morning and we laughed ourselves silly. Underpaid? Jog! Don't have resonable benefits? Jog! Your boss bullying you? Jog! Forced to share the women's bathroom with men? Jog! It solves everything! Guys, I don't know why we didn't think of this sooner! We don't need a venting/support website, we need jogging suits and gym shoes! It's just too bad for the underpaid people, they can't afford them. Guess they'll just have to jog in their work uniforms. ;-)
freedomringer(08/24/2006)
I don't think digwhatIdo gets "it" He is playing Devil's Advocate. I think that being able to vent is important as having a positive attitude but it is nice to be able to speak your mind! Sometimes not be being politically correct is liberating! And going for a jog does help clear the mind, but so does venting!! Keep venting!
ACube2Graphic(08/24/2006)
I am so LMAO!! Thanks for making me laugh all. Hey BigDoDo, Custer felt like he was morally superior, too, but, like you, ended up surrounded by the Indians.
the cynic(08/25/2006)
Ooh look...a "concern" troll. "I'm going to come on your site, intended for complaining, and criticize you for complaining....but I'm only trying to HELP you!"
ACube2Graphic(08/26/2006)
U know it's funny you should comment about education, DoDo, 'cause as it so happens, I AM the only one WITH the education for what I do IN MY DEPT! It's the others that are in need of more schooling!
M. in Wisconsin(08/27/2006)
Get real, DIGGYDO! Under circumstances like these only an imbecile could be 100 percent positive. What planet did you say you wre from? I wonder if complaints presented with realistic solutions would work in this case or if management is just too far gone to care. There are no perfect or even near-perfect workplaces. But neither are their any organized efforts to teach us us poor workers how to deal with workplace challenges. Is school out there offering "WORKPLACE PEOPLE SKILLS 101?"
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