Working to Resolve (not Absolve) Workplace Wickedness
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anonymous (09/19/2009) confessor be serious. if businesses truly wanted to curb bullying their managers would receive ironclad instructions to stop bullying before it starts, how to stop it and avoid settings that put employees in vulnerable situations.
bored bosses and managers are highly entertained by the fights between bullies and victims. any such situation is thoroughly exploited even twisted into demands for careful supervision. arguments are raised that the victims need too much supervision, are a drain, just can't take it, do not work well with others. the bullies are encouraged to make life so miserable that their victims have to leave. when things go wrong and victims retaliate entries are changed, deleted or added. everything is covered up, hushed up and changed completely.
we (the endangered employees) need to know how to keep the company bully from inflicting damage until we can make our escape to a new and hopefully safer environment.
any other suggestions are well meant but futile. we should be able to earn our living without having to look over our shoulders every working moment. we need instructions how to combat bullies successfully! we need to know what companies, businesses, bosses and individuals to avoid. (scream) bookwoman (09/20/2009)
Maybe I should take Professional Confessional's post with me when I meet with my company's HR director tomorrow morning.
I just submitted my resignation on Friday. My letter was passed from my VP straight to HR, and the HR director was the first to respond to me. My resignation letter was short and sweet: "Please accept this letter as notice of my intent to resign. My last day with XYZ company will be ___" (just shy of two weeks). I could no longer tolerate the bullying and even mobbing, as two people had begun harrasing me. I had not given any indication of any reason in my letter. Which made the HR response very interesting.
Their first question - why was I going? I told them I could no longer endure the toxicity of the workplace.
Second HR question/statement: that's what they thought might be the problem. Really? Why ever would they think that? I had never contacted them or filed any complaints. I had tried to address issues with my management and when their response was to ignore or belittle my concerns, why ever would I have pursued the complaints with anyone else and had any reason to believe I would get a reasonable response? So how do they have ANY awareness of ANYTHING?
Third HR question/statement: "where are you going?" my response: I have no idea. Anywhere would be better than here.
Fourth HR question/statement: "we are opening an investigation." Well, as they say, "bully" for you.
Fifth question: would I be open to the possibility of them finding another role for me in another department? Sure, I'm open to discussion. Like - why would they put something like that out there, before even starting their "investigation"? Are they already actually aware of my situation and are afraid I will leave and take action against the company, and believe I have a leg to stand on if I did take action?
Hmmmmm....food for thought.
I did not initiate an "investigation," HR has. Who knows? Maybe they're investigating ME. Whatever. I will show up for the meeting with a ton of documentation in hand and let the chips fall where they may. If it appears that I continue to be targeted, now by HR, in any way, shape or form, I'll simply walk out, notice or not. Right now the information in my head regarding my job is a heck of alot more valuable to the company than the company is to me. And when I say valuable, I'm talking about millions and millions of dollars of govenment contracts which are currently undergoing extensive government audit scrutiny.
I have already obtained references from a couple people in the company - my previous direct manager and a current indirect manager. If I do not find another job immediately I will file for unemployment under the category of "unable to continue working in a hostile work environment," and I feel positive I will be approved. I do, after all, have a great deal of HR background myself and know the usual tricks and am ready for them.
As I said to begin with, I might just print out the original post here, and take with me to HR. Maybe they can finally explain what, if any, policies and/or procedures this company actually has, as I have never been able to track them down via employee handbook or company website info.
It will be interesting. I am no longer emotionally invested in the situation, these bullies are no longer renting space in my head, and I feel GREAT about getting away. After years in the workplace, I know karma is real. The bullies will get theirs, one way or another, at some point in time, and I do not require seeing it first-hand to know that what comes around, goes around.
Here's to getting my life back! Cheers, everyone!
Ganbatte yo, bookwoman!!!!
Do your best, get the best out of life, and know that there is always something better out there! Go get some sunshine and a latte!
Are you going to take any classes?
the confessor (09/24/2009)
First, anonymous, go to kickbully.com for extensive info and details on how to counteract bullying. Keep in mind that winning does not mean staying a your current position. Hope this helps!
Secondly, Bookwoman, be very careful of what you say to HR, if anything. They may be on a fishing expedition to build up a case FOR the mob/bullies and AGAINST you! Indicate that your energies are directed toward the future and that any inquiries on their part will have to be "critically reviewed". If these folk are really trying to get rid of the bullies/mobs, they will come out and say so. It sounds to me like the VP you resigned to is demanding to know why he's losing yet another staffer to this crap!
Confessor, if I said to HR "your inquiries will have to be critically reviewed," what the heck would I mean by that? Reviewed by whom? What's the criteria of "critical" review? It sounds great on the surface but if I'm only stringing words together and really don't know what I'm talking about, I'd be shooting myself in the foot.
Also, I did not request an inquiry. I was very clear with HR that I had made numerous efforts to communicate my issues and concerns with my management, and the specifics of those efforts. I provided supporting documentation for some of those instances, and based on the responses I received, saw no reasonable options other than to remove myself from the environment. I told them that if they felt the need to do an investigation, that was their decision, NOT mine.
The VP I resigned to is the one who has allowed and condoned the bullying. I had gone to him more than once regarding specific incidences, and been either blown off, or completely ignored. I can't help but think he really is clueless, by taking my resignation to HR himself and saying right off the bat that there are problems in his department. It's like he's thinking that he'll look good to HR by inviting an investigation and giving an appearance of cooperation to it. I told HR they can investigate all they want, whatever their conclusion or direction to the VP and the bullies might be, it will not matter at all. The VP will agree with everything and simply continue the same behaviors. It's not like the HR police can be on duty in that department every day, following up. It's a physically isolated department, and unless something is brought to the attention of HR, HR will never know what's really going on. At this point the only people who are left are the VP, the bullies, and the bullies' friends. They're all fine with their own behaviour. It will simply go on. Which is why the "investigation" is completely pointless. I just want out at this point.
the confessor (10/04/2009)
Yes, Bookwoman, critical review of anyone with the evasive and shifting agumentative qualities of someone you describe is fruitless. A better life is ahead, if you free yourself of this evil. Kickbully.com has some sobering advice that hit me hard at first: victory usually means leaving. Strength and courage to you from all of us!
From your posts it seems like you have documented your issues in a decent fashion to the HR people. The vice-president does seem like a clue-less pointy hair type manager if you gave him the same documentation. He may be trying to head off an HR problem by bringing it to their attention because he would have to re-staff your vacated position via HR anyhow so they would find out if he swept it under the rug. He and then HR also may be afraid that you have a legitimate claim for unemployment via exactly the reason you gave in your post. Be very wary of what you tell them over and above what you already documented. By all means keep the reason simple and on the same message. Good luck!
the department of labor and industries has an interesting page on workplace bullying: What everyone needs to know. dated april 2008. yet nothing ever changes. yesterday an incident at the nearby post office was on the evening news. seems a postal worker, penny vasquez shoved her supervisors, one abusing her while standing there in 3 inch heels.
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